"IfeverythingbecametheChurch, theChurchwouldexcludeallthecriminalanddisobedient, andwouldnotcutofftheirheads," Ivanwenton."Iaskyou, whatwouldbecomeoftheexcluded? Hewouldbecutoffthennotonlyfrommen, asnow, , ofcourse, strictlyspeaking, butitisnotclearlyenunciated, andvery, veryoftenthecriminalofto-daycompromiseswithhisconscience: 'Isteal,' hesays, 'butIdon'tgoagainsttheChurch.I'mnotanenemyofChrist.' That'swhatthecriminalofto-dayiscontinuallysayingtohimself, butwhentheChurchtakestheplaceoftheStateitwillbedifficultforhim, inoppositiontotheChurchallovertheworld, tosay: 'Allmenaremistaken, allinerror, allmankindarethefalseChurch.I, athiefandmurderer, amtheonlytrueChristianChurch.' Itwillbeverydifficulttosaythistohimself; , ontheotherside, taketheChurch'sownviewofcrime: isitnotboundtorenouncethepresentalmostpaganattitude, andtochangefromamechanicalcuttingoffofitstaintedmemberforthepreservationofsociety, asatpresent, intocompletelyandhonestlyadoptingtheideaoftheregenerationoftheman, ofhisreformationandsalvation?"
"Whatdoyoumean? Ifailtounderstandagain," Miüsovinterrupted."? Whatsortofexclusion? Isuspectyouaresimplyamusingyourself, IvanFyodorovitch."